Gutmans: No. First of all, it very much complements what we call our collaboration strategy or collaborative strategy, where we try and increase and build the ecosystem around us and PHP. And secondly, we also plan to leverage Eclipse for our own products.

InfoWorld: Which products would those be?

Gutmans: We will be definitely using the Rich Client Platform of Eclipse for [a new] GUI in the Zend Guard product [for intellectual property protection].

InfoWorld: How will you use it for the Zend Guard product?

Gutmans: It's like a management GUI. ... We use the Rich Client Platform as the underlying technology. And we will also be providing development tools that are built on Eclipse.